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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:27 am 
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Tim Janson's opinion:-

http://www.mania.com/top-20-greatest-ho ... 13153.html

But does the panel agree?

I'd lose about eight of them.

No women, which is surprising, as you'd have thought Mary Shelley at least would have merited a mention given the popularity and influence of "Frankenstein". And no Stoker or Machen.

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John Saul better than Blackwood??

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I'd definitely lose Saul, Laymon, Masterton, Koontz, Lumley and Wilson.

Reluctantly, also McCammon and Lansdale - great writers and great fun yes (as are some of the others), but 'greatest'...

He's using the criteria that their main body of work must lie within the horror genre, and so has excluded Dan Simmons, and I guess on that basis you'd also have to lose Fritz Leiber :(

Who to add?

Bram Stoker and Mary Shelley - only one significant work each, but both hugely influential.

Also add Machen, Robert Aickman and Shirley Jackson - all excellent bodies of work and, again, very influential.

Of current writers, add Thomas Ligotti and Gary A. Braunbeck, who I'm featuring in Black Static #12.

That leaves one spot, and I'm torn - T. E. D. Klein, Sheridan Le Fanu, William Peter Blatty...

Nope, think I'd give it to William Hope Hodgson. Some great stuff in his catalogue.

Anyone else?

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And don't get me started on order, or we'll be here all day and probably tomorrow as well, but...

Poe at #1 :lol:

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by the criterion of 'major body in the genre' etc would robert louis stevenson not be allowed to be up there??


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Oh, that's a hard one Ben. I'd say with "Treaure Island", "Kidnapped" etc he's more historical than anything else, but "Jekyll and Hyde" is probably the most influential horror novel after "Frankenstein" and "Dracula". That's got to count for something, and so...

*tosses coin*

Heads!

Nope, apparently he's not included on my list. But he can be on yours :)

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"With Sci-Fi, you have a starting point that most people can agree on, namely the publication of Amazing Stories in 1926, the first magazine devoted to science fiction"

(Tim Janson)

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What on earth is Janson on about? 1926? Does HG Wells exist in his universe? The clue to his utter cluelessness comes with the dreaded "Sci-Fi" moniker.

Dolt.

Anyway, onto Horror. Masterton - yes. Lovecraft - yes. James - oh yes.

But...where's Dennis Wheatley?


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"I did mention Wells and Jules Verne goes, but as most people agree, the Sci-Fi era began with the publication of Amazing Stories in 1926 and thus my list really starts there and moves forward"

Hmm!

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Dan McNeil wrote:
"With Sci-Fi, you have a starting point ... the publication of Amazing Stories in 1926
(Tim Janson)

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What on earth is Janson on about? 1926? Does HG Wells exist in his universe? The clue to his utter cluelessness comes with the dreaded "Sci-Fi" moniker.


Yes, Janson is wrong, either way...
Legend & lore has it that Ackerman didn't coin the term 'sci-fi' until the early 1950s (before my time...) and I've long thought the 'birth' of sci-fi as slang was closely linked to the first science fictional TV shows (Quatermass, etc).

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Yes, Janson is wrong, either way...
Legend & lore has it that Ackerman didn't coin the term 'sci-fi' until the early 1950s (before my time...) and I've long thought the 'birth' of sci-fi as slang was closely linked to the first science fictional TV shows (Quatermass, etc).


My feeling is that people who use the term "sci-fi" don't actually read. Anything.


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Dan McNeil wrote:
My feeling is that people who use the term "sci-fi" don't actually read. Anything.


I use 'sci-fi' as catchall label for general run-of-the-mill media-SF (such as TV space operas)... To me, it means something different to science fiction... a genre mode that's distinguishable from literary-SF.
(And, yes... I read a lot, and prefer hard-SF to commerical fiction.)

Getting back on topic, though...
Nigel Kneale probably deserves a place on the top 20 list, for his works in TV horror.

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Tony - just to be clear...I wasn't implying you don't read - my aversion to the term 'sci-fi' is longstanding; my ire at its use was directed at Mr Janson.

Agree about Nigel Kneale. I'd also include Colin Wilson, purely for his novel The Mind Parasites. Absolutely chilling.


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Dan, are those as well as, or instead of, Dennis Wheatley? :lol:

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Pete - they're as well as ;)


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Dan McNeil wrote:
Does HG Wells exist in his universe? The clue to his utter cluelessness comes with the dreaded "Sci-Fi" moniker.

Most people put the start of science fiction at Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. Certainly this was Brian Aldiss' position in The Billion Year Spree (and the updated Trillion Year Spree). Edgar Allen Poe also wrote stories that could be considered SF. You can find elements of SF even earlier than Frankenstein, though - The Laputa section of Gulliver's Travels features a flying island and something resembling a computer.

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