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Author:  Tony [ Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:08 am ]
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"Infinite Space Infinite God" edited by Karina & Robert Fabian
http://www.isigsf.com/

I'm a serious SF fan and an atheist, and I think this sort of publishing venture is rather insulting to science fiction. :evil:
Isn't SF the literary genre of reason, not faith?

Any views/ opinions on this?

Author:  iansales [ Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:18 am ]
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Well, the editors have two of their own stories in the anthology, and that's never a good sign...

As for the mix of sf and religion... it's hardly new. A Case of Conscience, anyone? 'The Streets of Ashkelon'? Besides, there are scientists who practice religion.

Author:  Vague [ Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:31 am ]
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Tony wrote:
"Any views/ opinions on this?


Barf?

Sorry, best I can do on a Monday morning.
Got a lot of convoluted thoughts running around my head about personal freedoms - of speech and belief - but the bottom line is I won't be reading it.

Author:  Roy [ Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:41 am ]
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Simon Morden and Maya Kaathryn Bohnhoff on the author list so it can't be all bad. I don't see a problem with a collection of specifically religious SF. If it's good then it deserves an audience and SF is hardly a
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literary genre of reason
when we look back.

It would be interesting to see it reviewed on The Fix.

Author:  Roy [ Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:46 am ]
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Except
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that The Fix does not review vanity, self-published, or unpublished works.
and that rule may well apply here.

Author:  Foxie [ Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:56 am ]
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Not inherently a bad thing, and some of the stories seem to have a little meat on them (Hopkins Well, for example: if you're 'beamed' to another planet, and assembled from that planet's atoms, does the fact that you're made up of another planet's molecules change you?)

But they do seem to be mostly evangelical crap. Religious types looking to justify their faith, and using yet another vehicle to do it. I think the major problem is that the collection won't offer anything new. Questions about genetic engineering? About aliens, time travel, what it means to be human? Oh, look, we knew all along. The Catholics were right. Again. Just another instance of when this forward-looking institution has championed human rights and the multitude possibilities offered by a universe that we don't yet understand.

Oops. Showing my colours.

Anyway, SF should offer new solutions, or different takes on old ones, not just justify the same old crap of any religion, even athesists or agnostics.

Author:  Paul Raven [ Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:11 am ]
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Right on, Foxie. I'm in favour of the freedom to adhere to whatever religion (or lack thereof) you please, but I despise evangelism in all its forms. I've seen some good people broken and zombified by religion because the memes caught them at low times in their lives.

Religion in sf? Fair enough, though the traditional caveats about vanity works apply here as anywhere else. Write what you like. Just don't expect me to read it.

Author:  iansales [ Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:27 am ]
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A few years from now, you might not be quite so dismissive of self-published works... unless, that is, you like novels featuring dragons, or female android cyberpunk assassins, or Pete Hamilton / Neal Asher-style space operas, werewolf detectives, or vampire romances...

:-)

Author:  Roy [ Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:39 pm ]
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I am not dismissive of self-published works but the present policy of The Fix is not to review them.

I do support reviews of such for Interzone but I believe it is difficult to find volunteers willing to choose them from the list. My feeling is that some of these authors take any critical review very personnally and that could cause difficulties we do not want.

More in the self-publishing thread

Author:  iansales [ Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:40 pm ]
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Paul, I think I'd rather read evangelical sf than this: http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:ht ... rchive%3D1

Author:  Foxie [ Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:47 pm ]
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dumbass wrote:
One of the most basic laws in the universe is the Second Law of Thermodynamics. This states that as time goes by, entropy in an environment will increase. Evolution argues differently against a law that is accepted EVERYWHERE BY EVERYONE. Evolution says that we started out simple, and over time became more complex. That just isn't possible: UNLESS there is a giant outside source of energy supplying the Earth with huge amounts of energy. If there were such a source, scientists would certainly know about it.


This is brilliant. You simply can't engineer ignorance like this.

Author:  iansales [ Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:50 pm ]
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Yes, you can. You use religion :-)

Author:  Foxie [ Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:50 pm ]
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Oops. That was only the second one on the list--they get better.

Author:  Tony [ Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:20 pm ]
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Foxie wrote:
..if you're 'beamed' to another planet, and assembled from that planet's atoms, does the fact that you're made up of another planet's molecules change you?


Well, according to physicists (hard to prove or disprove, admittedly, due to the 'uncertainty principle'), none of the atoms currently in your body are the same ones you started out with when born.
:wink:

Author:  Paul Raven [ Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:21 pm ]
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Tony wrote:
Foxie wrote:
..if you're 'beamed' to another planet, and assembled from that planet's atoms, does the fact that you're made up of another planet's molecules change you?


Well, according to physicists (hard to prove or disprove, admittedly, due to the 'uncertainty principle'), none of the atoms currently in your body are the same ones you started out with when born.
:wink:


The "Ship Of Theseus" problem. Nicely woven into Peter Watts' Blindsight, BTW.

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