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Shocking typo in the final para, sorry. I can't believe I've only just spotted it. #-o


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And apologies for all the others I might've missed!


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Casson's is the stand out for me, loved it. I was on that island - brilliant. Great little details to character, excellent atmosphere, conjured the era perfectly. More please.


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Andy wrote:
Grotesque release was scheduled for 17th August, but we've just heard that it's been postponed to 21st September due to a delay in classification at the BBFC. Now you really want to enter the draw to win a copy, right? ;)


"Censors reject 'sadistic' horror" ... too Grotesque for BBFC?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8209829.stm

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Some reaction...

In a very rare instance, the British Board of Film Classification has refused to grant an 18 certificate to Japanese horror movie “Grotesque” due to the amount of unacceptable content featured throughout the film.

Set for distribution in the UK by 4Digital Asia, “Grotesque” concerns the abduction of a young couple by the film’s main protagonist, a psychotic sadist, who proceeds to restrain, strip and sexually assault his victims before torturing them to death.

The decision to ban the film was taken by BBFC director David Cooke and senior colleagues who claimed, “Unlike other recent ‘torture’ themed horror works, such as the ‘Saw’ and ‘Hostel’ series, ‘Grotesque’ features minimal narrative or character development and presents the audience with little more than an unrelenting and escalating scenario of humiliation, brutality and sadism. In spite of a vestigial attempt to ‘explain’ the killer’s motivations at the very end of the film, the chief pleasure on offer in not related to understanding the motivations of any of the central characters. Rather, the chief pleasure on offer seems to be wallowing in the spectacle of sadism (including sexual sadism) for its own sake.”

The last time a film was rejected by the BBFC was in April of this year when “NF713” (aka “Enemy Of The State”) was refused an 18 certificate. In February 2008 the film “Murder Set Pieces” was also rejected. Prior to that, the Board had not refused an 18 rating since 2005 when the film “Terrorists, Killers And Other Wackos”, a work made up of real clips of executions and torture, was turned down.

A spokesperson for 4Digital Asia expressed surprise at the outright rejection of the “Grotesque”, stating, “We knew that the BBFC was debating the content of the film quite intensely but we had expected to receive from the BBFC a list of recommended cuts enabling the film to be passed with an 18 certificate. We are now considering whether or not to appeal against the Board’s decision.”


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des2 wrote:
I have started a real-time review of the fiction in BLACK STATIC 12 here:
http://weirdmonger.blog-city.com/black_ ... sue_12.htm


Many thanks Des, I really enjoyed that, and no doubt the authors will too. :)


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As, I've said elsewhere... I hope 4DA appeal.
But, I suspect it would be like

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Andy wrote:
des2 wrote:
I have started a real-time review of the fiction in BLACK STATIC 12 here:
http://weirdmonger.blog-city.com/black_ ... sue_12.htm


Many thanks Des, I really enjoyed that, and no doubt the authors will too. :)


Thanks, Andy. :)
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It may not be worth getting upset over banning of Grotesque film. It had a bad review in Black Static, the reviewer said pretty much the same as the film censors.
I wouldn't wring any hands and moan

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The reviewer may have agreed with the censor in this case, but "freedom of speech" isn't about supporting a "good" work of art (or literature) as against a "bad" one, it's about supporting a work you hate, or a work that you think is deplorable or even blatantly worthless and exploitative. That's the toughie but that's freedom of speech, not just supporting people who think like you do. That's easy. A film that explored this brilliantly is Milos Forman's "The People vs Larry Flynt". Forman, coming as he does from a oppressive regime, knows what censorship is about, and his comments alongside the published screenplay are incredible pertinent and made me think about this issue very differently. Not that the poster disagrees with this... I just wanted to post it! :-)


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:21 pm 
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Paul Woodward wrote:
I wouldn't wring any hands and moan
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I disagree. It's not cool...
Censorship of this kind is never justified.
The BBFC is practically obselete, anyway - nowadays it's just another smugly officious burden on film distributors and DVD labels.

There really ought to be a legit means of releasing certain genre films in UK without BBFC certs.
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Classification... well, okay (but make it cheaper for indie startups).
Classic horrors likes of The Texas Chain Saw Massacre were once banned in UK... I'd rather not see a return to those stupid days of moral panics and thoughtless anti-horror campaigns.
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What Steve said, and I agree wholly that "The People vs Larry Flynt" is an excellent dissection of the censorship issue.

Nothing I've heard about "Grotesque" gives me the urge to watch it, but I do want that to be my decision, rather than not have the option at all.

And besides, they've now gone and jinxed one of Andy's competitions.

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Good one, Pete: I want it to be my decision too.

Incidentally, wasn't there another film called "The Grotesque" with Alan Bates, based on Patrick McGrath's novel?


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OK chaps you don't like movies to be censored so should we draw any lines at all or do we allow anything and everything free rein? Letting the potential audience decide what to see on their own free choice?

In this genre it is an interesting question, I think.


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This is too massive to discuss fully here - especially when I'm working! - but off the top of my head, my personal concerns would be actual illegal acts (e.g. actual rape), incitement to violence (legally defined), actual real harm and cruelty (to children, animals), that kind of thing. In other words - anything already covered by other laws. But certainly not blasphemy! The more of that the better! I hate porn because (partly) it's invaraibly crap, but I guess by my own earlier assessment I have to approve of its existence. (Unless someone or some thing was exploited or harmed in the making of, etc.) Hey.... nobody said it was an easy one to answer! :-)


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