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 Post subject: Spiderman 3
PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2007 10:03 am 
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Better than '2' but not as good as '1'.
Again, and as in '2', they seem to forget the world is full of mobile phones with camera and video features.


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Hmmm ... I considered Spider-Man 3 easily the worst of the three films, and 2 the best. In fact, I thought 3 was a bad film, period. Too many subplots, not enough cohesiveness, uninspired script and direction, uninteresting villains (including one who doesn't even bother to show up until 15 or 20 minutes are left in the movie), a lame final battle, and too many abrupt attitude changes in the characters. And Rosemary Harris's character, while appealing in a homespun sort of way, is nothing more than a plot device intended to dispense wisdom at just the moment poor Peter needs it. Ugh. Didn't like this one at all. Oh, well. To each his or her respective own!


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Maybe but in S2 in the big scene runaway subway train rescue episode S'man saves an entire trainload of commuters while bereft of his headgear and no one photographs him with a mobile or phones home in alarm as the train's condition threatens to leave them all dead.

I know we have to suspend disbelief but after that there was no point. :(

I thought the faults and flaws you saw were merely the twists and stretching needed to keep up with the comics. The film probably needs to do that because if the producer ever goes for more sequels that connection to the comics is necessary. Also Marvel were listed as producers and there may well have been contractual obligations to use certain charactors and subplots.


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I hear there is a Spider-Man 4 in the offing, but I'm not sure if that one will have Tobey MacGuire. I know they were planning to use Jake Gyllenhaal for #2 if MacGuire had backed out. Despite my disappointment with #3, I'll still go see #4.

You're right about the cell phones in both #2 and #3. I just liked the human element, minus all the superhero rigmarole, in #2.


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in S2 ... S'man saves an entire trainload of commuters while bereft of his headgear and no one photographs him

I know we have to suspend disbelief but after that there was no point. :(


I thought the scene was handled well, really. Yes, respect and gratitude for the superhero, solidarity among the saved, and all that... if you'd been on that runaway train, would you really have given up Spidey's identity?
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I considered Spider-Man 3 easily the worst of the three films


I agree, it's too long, too slow (the over-edited action seems like the work of a different director... did Raimi actually oversee any of those effects?), and just wasn't interesting in terms of character development.

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I thought the scene was handled well, really. Yes, respect and gratitude for the superhero, solidarity among the saved, and all that...

Someone would, the pictures would be worth lots of $. The director could have sorted the problem by showing grateful passengers frustrating their ungrateful peers by putting their hands in the way or taking phones off their neighbours etc. The director only had to acknowledge the potential and one quick shot of a struggle in the background would have done.

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if you'd been on that runaway train, would you really have given up Spidey's identity?

I'd have told my wife, in confidence of course, and she would have paased it on to my daughter, in confidence of course, and so on. By the weekend the world would know.


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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 9:18 am 
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I have to say, I find this whole ‘train scene’ thing interesting. The moment I was expected to believe in stable tritium existing in a convenient state on the Earth, I was pretty much willing to be swept where ever the narrative swept me. I was more than happy to believe that Parker’s sacrifice, not only of physically but of his identity, brought out the best, most noble aspects of all those in the train. Even if it was just this one event, this one moment in their lives, all those people on the train were inspired to display the greatest potential of humanity – surely, after all, the greatest power of all superheroes is, by their example, to inspire ordinary people to live up to the greatest potential they are born capable of.

Also, of course, even if people did tell their friends and family, Peter Parker isn’t a publicly recognisable figure (as far as I understand it, of course). The best you’d be able to say would be, ‘he was a young kid, local lad, dark hair’. The chances of anyone being able to put a name to a face, or even identify him later from a crowd of others, is surely pretty small.

It was enough to convince me, anyway.

The thing which really stuck in my throat is the whole, ‘I don’t know who I am, I’ve lost my superpowers!’ thing. Is this canon? If it is, it was very clumsily done.

I thought the first one was truly lousy and the second one was everything I hoped for. The third one is sounding like a bit of a car-crash, but of course I’m still going to see it. That’s the true power of superheroes
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Foxie wrote:
I was more than happy to believe that Parker’s sacrifice, not only of physically but of his identity, brought out the best, most noble aspects of all those in the train. Even if it was just this one event, this one moment in their lives, all those people on the train were inspired to display the greatest potential of humanity – surely, after all, the greatest power of all superheroes is, by their example, to inspire ordinary people to live up to the greatest potential they are born capable of...
It was enough to convince me, anyway...
That’s the true power of superheroes
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Exactly!
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Well I'm ancient, cynical and correct and you are all young, idealistic and will get older.


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Roy wrote:
I'm ancient, cynical and correct...


Did you like the BATMAN BEGINS movie, Roy?

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Ah, Roy, I wish I were young and idealistic! I am definitely getting older--or perhaps that should be past tense ... Alas.


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 Post subject: Piderman 3
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 8:37 am 
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Spidey may have had his pic snapped by a mobile on the train but it would be a shot of a kid in costume upside down being carried so even if Jamison printed it "Who is this Spiderman $$$" and some one thought it looked like Parker know one would believe them!
Kent and Superman ring any bells?
Fact is Spiderman acts differently to Parker the nerd often stood looking vacant not knowing what to say to MJ or Jamison even a doorman. Spidey however has far to much to say as in the comics. Wear shades look and act differently and that's just us...
In reality Spiderman might seek a cut for all the T shirts and toys on sale do super heroes have rights? Masks are not illegal yet.
Spiderman 3 can have 7 out of ten. I would go watch a fourth or more as there all good entertainment, stick around webmister.


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Batman Begins? Yes enjoyed that Christian Bale as the Bat? 'Sin City' was good as well. I also thought 'Unbreakable' was excellent. Better than most films based on 'real' comics.

My point on Spiderman 3 is that someone would have done it or tried to.
Their success or whether Parker would have been recognised does not matter.

Mobiles with cameas are a big feature of the modern world we live in and, seemingly, the fictional world of Spiderman. The film should have recognised that or, in some way, shown they don't exist in that world.

Many visitors to this site are writers and I'd bet they all could have found a succinct way illustrate either scenario.


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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 9:51 pm 
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At the end of the day, Roy, you're right and I'm rationalising it away to myself. But I think there's a line you've got to draw. You go into a film like Spiderman for the same reason you go and see a stage magician: you want to be fooled. You're going in there, knowing some guy is going to stack the deck and walk off laughing with your money. It's taken me years of reconstructing my perception to see an entertaining parable about the power of example and potential heroism of humanity, to appreciate the craftsmanship of stringing together well-worn cliches and over-egged fight scenes with special effects so expensive that they could wipe out the debt of a small third-world nation. A few years ago, I would have seen a rundown, tired, superficial rehash of tripe which was over-used when I was young, blinged up with special effects inserted solely designed to distract the more impressionable from the vapid, hollow commercialism of the whole affair. It would have been a paper mask decorated with highlighters Blue Tacked onto a leering, grasping corpse's face as he holds me at knife-point in a damp, wet alley I couldn't escape from.

I've made my choice to be taken for a ride and life's more fun this way, at least for the moment. I agree absolutely that someone would've taken a photo, or tried to. But, as far as I'm concerned, this is the world of superheros where the real heroes are the ordinary people who stand up when the time comes to be counted.

The first film irked me because the Goblin was badly written as a character (always a crime), his costume was crap and far too long was spent on Spiderman's origins. If you need to know, you're old enough to know already. Doc Ock, on the other hand, I found genuinely creepy in places and I really liked the single-minded, nascent personality of his limbs - the voice of science without restraint or emotion. Aunt May didn't just hang around and wait for stuff to happen, either. She got on with her own life, and even found it in her heart to forgive Peter, which shows a degree of intelligence and emotional maturity the audience should take note of. And, yeah, the magician tripped over his cape a few times and the rabbit maybe even fell out of his hat. but he pulled enough pigeons out his sleeve to earn my forgiveness.

Oh, and 'Unbreakable'? Brilliant. Absolutely wonderful. Interesting idea, well executed, great characters.


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Just had a short holiday with my wife. We have not been to the cinema for years and I don't watch films on TV. Films are too fabricated for me when compared to fiction or music.

To kill some time we went to see Spiderman 3 at a nine screen (!) cinema. Are all films like this now? All pretty unscary special effects, crash, bang, wallop, and abysmal story-telling? I don't think I've missed much over the last ten years in avoiding films!!!
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